Discussion

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Note: I've created a series of sample pages starting under Ten Years IAGSDC Digital Edition.

That page contains links to a number of future articles involving Dancers, Callers, and Clubs. Take a look to get an idea of some of the entries each category will need.

(Question #1: Do we need to create entries for cities (e.g., "Seattle") showing which clubs are/were there?) --Allan Hurst 18:32, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Question #2: Do we highlight every use of an article name (e.g., "IAGSDC") in every article, or just the first reference? --Allan Hurst 21:01, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Things that may need to be reconfigured before rolling this out to the public:

7/23/09: Andy Shore brings up a good point: How do we handle embedded email addresses? The two ideas currently in play are to embed Javascript obfuscators in the wiki text (assuming that's possible), or to link to each person's IAGSDC profile, which displays the email address only after authentication.


Questions which have (mostly) been resolved:

1. Change title of "Main Page" to "10/25 Project" (but leave the page name "Main Page" in place). Allan Hurst

Resolution: Nope. This idea seems silly now. I'm giving serious thought to making "10/25 Project" refer only to the project to conduct and collect field interview. Let the Main Page be "Main Page." Allan Hurst 21:01, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


2. Is there a way to show who's made each edit/addition? Allan Hurst

There are 2 ways. One is to click on the history tab to see who performed each edit, chronologically. That works on all pages automatically. The second is to type 4 tildes (Libcub 15:51, 22 June 2009 (UTC)), which adds your username and the data and time. (I am doing this at the end of my responses to these questions.) That works well when you are adding text, but not as well for revisions and deletions. Libcub 15:51, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
For purposes of this discussion page, I really like this idea. Allan Hurst
Resolution: Please put "--~~~~" (two dashes and four tildes) after your entries on this page, at least for now.


3. Add a 10/25 Project "IAGSDC History Project" logo underneath the IAGSDC logo. --Allan Hurst

Resolution: Troy Johnson has graciously volunteered to come up with a suitable logo. --Allan Hurst 04:43, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


4. Do we want to create stub pages for each category (e.g., "Clubs") and set the initial page to read "Please add information here"? Since a number of wiki novices will be using this system, that may make it easier to encourage them to add information themselves.

Resolution: We will create stub pages for each category, each under the stewardship of a "Section Editor". Anyone can add to any of the stubs, but the Section Editor will handle inappropriate material, etcetera.'


5. Do we want to create a stub page listing all of the past and present IAGSDC clubs. I suspect this would be a good idea. --Allan Hurst

Agreed. Libcub 15:51, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Resolution: We will create a stub page listing all of the past and present IAGSDC clubs. Initially, we'll put a link to each club's official IASDC profile. That will allow readers to add their own histories here in the wiki. --Allan Hurst 04:43, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


6. Do we separate inactive and active club names, or put them all together? Allan Hurst

I can picture some uses for which separate lists would be better, and some where a single list would be better. One option in the Wikimedia software is to put all the data in a sortable table. We can have a "Status" column, with values "active", "inactive", "dead", whatever we like. Then the table can be sorted by the page visitor by clicking the column title. --Libcub 15:51, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Expect to be asked to help me figure out how to create a sortable table. :) Allan Hurst
Resolution: We'll put them all together in a sortable table. --Allan Hurst


7. If we put all club names together onto a single page, do we add the word "[Inactive]" to the name of each inactive club? (E.G., "Bent Squares [Inactive]")--Allan Hurst

Resolution: A field for club status (Active/Inactive) will be included in the sortable table referred to above. --Allan Hurst 04:53, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


8. Questions about the Framework --Libcub a. Dancers: What is the thinking behind the 3 categories of dancers? I think having a category like "Popular" or "Highly Visible", which is highly subjective is going to upset people.

I was brainstorming when I wrote up the list. I suspect that if we're going to list individual dancers of note (e.g., Freeman Stamper, Harlan Kerr, etc.) that a single list will be fine. --Allan Hurst
I think popular and highly visible may almost be the same.--Michael Spayd 05:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Resolution: We'll have a single category, "Individuals", listing people who have made significant contributions [of time and talent] to the IAGSDC, such as founders, officers, project leads, etc. --Allan Hurst 16:33, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


b. Dancers: What is "SBNN"?

Hell if I know. I can't remember. :) --Allan Hurst
Resolution: "Straight But Not Narrow"....a TAQC creation to commemorate the straight square dancers that add to our activity. --Michael Spayd 05:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, Michael! I knew I picked that up from somewhere, but couldn't remember where. It's a tribute to the 10/25 project kickoff in Cleveland!--Allan Hurst 23:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


c. Callers: The distinction between national/international vs. local vs. club callers is not always easy to decide. What category would you put Grant Ito, Ron Masker, Pat Carnathan, etc.? It also becomes a maintenance headache. At what point does a caller move from club to local, or from local to national/international?

I agree; I suspect a single "Callers" category would be fine. --Allan Hurst
Resolution: Another one of my dumb ideas. :) We'll use a single category of "Callers", listing callers that have called for IAGSDC Conventions and Fly-Ins, and (optionally) club callers who teach and/or perform repeatedly for IAGSDC clubs. --Allan Hurst 16:33, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


d. Events: Why are only some fly-ins listed? Are those just examples? :I listed the major recurring fly-ins that I could think of off the top of my head at the time. I suspect adding (or letting clubs add) all fly-ins would be appropriate. (For example: what's the history of Chase The Chile, and why is it held only every other year?) --Allan Hurst

Resolution: All fly-ins (that we can discover) will be listed. Each stub page will have a basic template including items such as: dates held, callers, location, theme (if applicable), and "other information". --Allan Hurst 04:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


9. How does one force a text wrap(see the Framework page to see what I'm talking about)? --Allan Hurst

Resolution: That's due to the leading spaces. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Wikitext_examples. I've edited a couple of the long lines on the Framework page using initial colons instead of leading spaces so you can see how that looks. --Libcub 05:17, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


10. Keep the framework as simple as possible and depend upon the extensive linking capabilities of Wiki to structure and cross-reference the information. --Alan Hirsch 18:00, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I imagine one page for each entity that we are recording. The entities seem to be Clubs (members, affiliates, associates), People (Callers, Dancers, others), Events (flyins, conventions, special). Both past and present entities should be recorded, i.e., clubs no longer in existence. Links should be used extensively to associate people with clubs, clubs with events, callers with clubs and events, etc. Cross-reference with the information in Bradley Bell and IAGSDC.org should made when it makes sense. I imagine that club histories are available from club web sites as well as other sources. --Alan Hirsch 18:00, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Additional entity might be Publications or some name that covers all the IAGSDC products that are not covered by the Event entity. --Alan Hirsch 20:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)